In this episode of Policy, Guns and Money;

Are nuclear weapons becoming more or less relevant? Georgia Grice talks to deterrence expert Dr Brad Roberts.

Aakriti Bacchawat interviews Derek Grossman, Senior Defence Analyst for the RAND corporation on the Quad and Trump in the Indo-Pacific Region.

And Lisa Sharland speaks with Aussie Major General Cheryl Pearce on her appointment as the next force commander of the UN peacekeeping mission in Cyprus.